[Eu] SVGopen dude on FOSDEM writing his Brussel trip down

[Ruud Steltenpool]

Hello everybody, especially those who attended FOSDEM last weekend:

I was the tall dutch guy with the red hooded sweater with Bart Simpson
mooning on the back:
http://fosdem.3ti.be/s/v.php/Philippe.Bajoit/2004-02-21/1/resize/2/

My introduction was something like:"
I'm not a Mozilla developer, but a user and fan.
I report bugs sometimes, convince others to try the product.
My main reason for visiting FOSDEM is because i want to organize SVGopen
at the University of Twente next year and think Mozilla and my initiative
can help each other."

hint: wireless mic for attendents' introductions.

see: http://svgopen.steltenpower.com (improvements welcome)

quoting: http://mozdev.org/pipermail/eu/2004-February/000072.html
"
- In Europe, companies/government departments may not want to work with
   "AOL". We need to be clear on the website that there is no connection.
"
maybe change language of this list to "English (UK)"


Some very general notes that apply to several things i heard in the
discussions:
Even though maybe very brief: make known what is going on. When there's a
statement with a date that is not ancient history, it means something to
people (without it many people might consider it a dead project, cause we
all know what "under construction" usually means on the web). And of
course what are the plans?. Roadmap, documentation, comments, explanation
were often heard to be needed. There were statements about shaking off the
geek-image, making it possible for non-techies to help, easy translation
and documentating interfaces, etc.

things like NVU and SVGopen could be put on MozEUfoundation site, but
indeed, where to draw the line. Maybe a page that is not written by the
foundation, but for the community to change, MozEU just provides a spot,
but is not responsible. Wiki with a disclaimer maybe?


Thanks everybody: For a very interesting event, nice and fruitful
conversations and even a place to crash.
It was well worth the over 13 hours of traveling.
Hope to see you again.

I've done some plugging of Alex's sheets within the SVG community.
mind-spin: Maybe if Mozilla SVG would be really, really complete and good,
non-techies would finally use SVG as well (i already like it a lot
though). And because there wouldn't be other great SVG implementations
people would want and need Mozilla more.



I'm doing some investigating now for getting an official University wide
open-source policy. Received some good input on that at FOSDEM. Hopefully
Moz can get something out of it.

At the bottom is a chaotic mix of things that left my mind/mouth somewhere
during FOSDEM.


greetings,

Ruud

http://svgopen.steltenpower.com
http://steltenpower.com/view_svg.html

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Some ideas people showed interest in:
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bookmarkmails is what i call HTMLmails that have only 1 FRAME with then of
course a webpage as source. It's another way of organizing your bookmarks,
and keeping track of when things change. It would need some special
filtering:

bookmarkmails (pseudo-code):
if (topic==website_update){
  updated_url=body;
  n=0;
  for all bookmarkmails b{
    if (b.url==updated_url){
      b.mark(Unread);
      n++;
    }
  }
  if (n>0) delete();
}



bookmarklets: start a bookmark with "javascript:" instead of "http:"
followed by JavaScript code of course, maybe put it on the bookmarkbar.
this code can work on the current page, for example (pseudo code again):
-give all instances of a certain string in a webpage a red background.
-location.href="http://my.com/online-bookmarks.php?url="+location.href+"title="+url_encode(document.title);
-window.open('dictionary.com/search.php?query='+getSelection());



Rapid style apply (editing):
first step: highlighter(pseudo again):
onmouseup="replace(getselection(),'<span
class=\"my_marker_"+active_color_dropdownlist.value+"'>"+getSelection()+"</span>")"
second step change the class to your own defined styles.
Outdated pages that still show the idea, though a bit more complicated:
http://www.steltenpower.com/web_crap/in_web_edit/screenshots.html
(screenshots are old as you can see by the browser :-) )



Some ideas about which i don't have much of a clue how well feasible they
are:
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profile/proxy: If TB or FF gets installed could it check for an install of
the other and if so maybe it re-use some config?

default plugins/extensions:
In the installer there could be a checkbox "install Flash", (please don't
check it on default). Can we use this for
not-enabled-on-standard-build-things-with-other-licences as well? If so,
"i want my MTV^H^H^HSVG" :-)



some stuff that is probably more for Bugzilla (I know, search first, cause
i'm absolutely not fully up-to-date with or aware of everything) than this
list:
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"treat as SPAM" option in filters

other options besides default maximized window of tabs (side by side, etc)

"delete from server when deleted from trash"
"empty trash on exit"

"Leave on server, till i delete or move them from Inbox" is scary, what if
you want to move a message to a different account/folder? Then it deletes
it from server by this definition. Ruins your on-the-road-webmail.

"older than:" does this delete messages you didn't get the change to read,
when coming back from a long vacation?

Just make sure it's really clear what a setting means. Also for
not-too-techy people.

"open in tabs":
-closes open tabs
-doesn't open subdirs of bookmarks
-opens new chatzilla for every channel