[Project_owners] Clarification for a SeaMonkey User

Paul Everitt paul at zope-europe.org
Tue Sep 16 09:30:46 EDT 2003

While I'm not sure about the "will flock to" part, I generally agree 
with much of the following.  I've focused my Mozilla development on 
richer interactions between client and server.  The stuff below is a 
good example, and ten bonus points for using Python. :^)  I view 
Topicalla as perhaps the best example of this direction.

Regarding market share, it isn't important to win the browser wars.  
The first goal is to get to 20%.  That's the magic number.  And I 
disagree with the point that you'll never get average users to change.  
It's true, but it doesn't matter.  You can get the number up to 20% 
without convincing grandma.  Providing richer networked applications to 
governments, NGOs, or even banks is such a course.

Enough of politics.  My main reason for replying is to ask about RDF.  
All the discussion so far has been about confusion of the status in the 
UI parts of the birds.  I wonder: is RDF in suspended animation?

The RDF machinery is what originally brought me to Moz as a development 
platform.  And while the first 80% of my tasks worked as expected, the 
last 20% were so immensely painful, error-prone, underdocumented, 
orphaned, and frustrating, that I've now given up on RDF-in-Moz.

Is RDF-in-Moz in maintenance mode?  Is it end-of-lifed?  What is its 
role in the birds -- to accomplish certain tasks needed to draw an 
end-user browser UI on the screen?


On Tuesday, Sep 16, 2003, at 02:12 Europe/Paris, Tim Stebbing wrote:

> Fabio Serra wrote:
> <snip>
>> Now XPFE is so close to be the perfect toolkit to develop web based 
>> applications. Everyday a lot of web developers are fighting with 
>> DHTML to make web browser applications similar to the desktop one 
>> because customers ask for complex applications that can be loaded 
>> from a browser and that can run remotely.
> I have to agree, I'm currently developing client-server web-based 
> applications in XUL that 12 months ago I would have been struggling to 
> implement in plain html and DHTML.
> Web developers will flock to mozilla because it provides a single 
> target for writing web-based applications. People are sick of checking 
> their apps in IE, Netscape, Konqueror etc etc, along with the amount 
> of browser specific JS that they write its a nightmare that people 
> take for granted.
> I'm using python and the twistedmatrix.com framework to serve dynamic 
> XUL, and will be serving RDF through it using RDFlib for python. 
> Developers want to integrate their language of choice into mozilla.
> What would entice more web developers to mozilla (and shouldn't be 
> extremely difficult to implement) is better XPCOM support for 
> languages like python, perl, php etc. as well as scripting UI in those 
> languages.
> There is no reason why I shouldn't be able to call client-side 
> python/perl functions from onClick. This sort of advance would see
> mozilla as the primary platform for rich web apps within a couple of 
> years, easy.
> I discussed this sort of integration a week ago on #mozilla and 
> developers there seemed to like the idea.
> just my 2c
> -TJS
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